As regional instability grows and global events remind us of the reality of war and importance of maintaining peace, John is joined by Peter Jennings for a in-depth conversation about Australia's strategic and security outlook. Peter suggests that the Russian and Chinese perspective that "the West is in terminal decline" has been thoroughly repudiated by the Western response to the war in Ukraine. They discuss the possible dangers of the security pact signed by China and the Solomon Islands, and consider how Australia should prepare its defence force to counter future threats.

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